1906 Friend reminds me, happens to deal with a different part of the world. May I recall to the House that we had to fight a bitter and bloody war in South Africa, but at last we extended the hand of friendship to two of the greatest builders of this Empire, General Botha and General Smuts, and it would ill become us to refer to the bloodshed in South Africa in connection with them after they had been received at Buckingham Palace. There are still some groups of the Karens who are not wholly satisfied, but, so far as we are able to ascertain, the great majority of the communities have accepted the provisions of the constitution, and the three Karenni States, which occupy a position analogous to that of the Indian States, are adhering to the new Union of Burma. or more, of the Burmese people would say, whether we like it or not, that U Aung San and others were not traitors, but examples of the finest Burmese patriots. Members on the other side of the House and perhaps by one hon. doubt will be recorded in HANSARD. That Burma did not … If the right hon. Friends who have said that the Burmese have made a mistake in not being satisfied with Dominion status. Does it, or does it not, matter to the conscience of the Govern- I see the Prime Minister on the Government Front Bench. 1886 tion in British courts in respect of divorces already pronounced in Burma. The second—is an elementary question, but a very difficult one to answer—it is, what is the alternative? Member will now get to Burma very quickly. Indeed, when he referred to the recently assassinated leader of the Burmese people as a traitor, I could not but remember that at one time the originators Under Section 30, for example, Member for North Blackpool (Mr. Low) on the attitude they have taken, which cannot have been easy. Friend the Member for Woodford—which is the view taken by many of us on this side of the House—and that of the Government, is that we think that it would be a great deal better had things been steered as my right hon. We have heard a lot of talk today regarding U Aung San, whether or not he is to be considered a patriot or traitor. 1895 murdered. MEMBERS: "Oh."] Friend, and I would like to repeat it. I am wholeheartedly in favour of voting on the side of my right hon. With its passage, Westminster relinquished nearly all of its authority to legislate for the Dominions, effectively making them de jure sovereign nations. From someone who has arrived home after being on the spot for five years, I am able to obtain information which makes me believe that things are all right there. Friend say? Friend the Leader of the Opposition quoted, which the hon. He criticized U Saw, who had been interned during the War, in similar terms. The Act's most important provisions were:-, Prime Minister Clement Attlee introduced the Bill in Parliament for its second reading. Gentleman to reconsider that point, and to answer it either tonight or at some future time. 1864 Again, hon. I know the amount of corruption there was among the old Burmese politicians, but I am bound to testify that the present Government contains straight and incorruptible men. If we pass this Bill we are divesting ourselves of that responsibility; we are saying that what happens to them from now on is no concern of ours. Gentlemen opposite think me to be, I think that in dealing with this matter As a result the new constitution has been approved by the representatives of these various communities, and it provides for a generous degree of autonomy. We came to a country that had suffered from gross misrule, and under British rule much progress was made—moral, material and in every respect. For that, of course, there is a very obvious reason; he does not agree with a single word of what the right hon. The retaining of their friendship is much more important than holding them in bondage, because, in retaining it, we retain their trade, their commerce and their industry, and we are still able to send our people there to help them develop their independence and their Government—and to make a bob or two out of it, which we will not make if they are our enemies. We could have ensured that they passed by stages towards the final stage of independence. The position with regard to Burma is something quite different—as the right hon. 1 von 7 . That is what the Leader of the Opposition seems to want us do with Burma. I would add a further point and I hope that the right hon. Even if we are not able to read the writing on the wall, it is time we were able to take stock of the world position today. Member, has proved himself to be perfectly in Order in that respect. The Burma Government will have access to the sea, and will be able to import arms if they wish to use force. There is only a semblance of law and order outside the towns in Burma, communications have practically broken down, agriculture and other industries are in the doldrums and Burma is verging on bankruptcy. …is to be entirely dependent on the Burmese Parliament, it will be seen that no lasting protection for the minorities is secured and that the future is as dark for them as it is in the two Dominions of India. That is especially so when one considers how the communications were completely disrupted by war and the fact that there were arms everywhere in the hands of dacoits, and people of every description, in the jungle and the villages throughout the country. There was an indiscriminate distribution of arms after U Aung San's assassination in the hope that disorder would be put down, but it resulted in weapons getting into the wrong hands and in increased banditry all over the country. Any person who, at the commencement of the Constitution, was by virtue thereof, a citizen and who by virtue of subsequent election under section 2 of the Burma Independence Act, 1947, is deemed to be a British subject, shall cease to be a citizen of the Union. I cannot conscientiously stand at this Box—with a perfectly free hand in the matter and no pressure put on me by my right hon. He has not been able to assimilate the new ideas. 1911 For that we have the authority not only of myself and others who spent some years there, but of the former Governor of Burma Sir Reginald Dorman-Smith. What is the relevancy in the right hon. Members. Do any of these conditions exist? I, and I am sure every hon. MEMBER: "And by the right hon. I have tried to explain why it was that I feel as I do. The formation of a Burmese government under Aung San followed with elections to a Constituent Assembly in which the party of Aung San won a majority. The East is a very treacherous place, and if we have no friends there we shall regret it. In our Report we emphasised this fact, and we recommended its separation from India. Members on both sides of the House who have taken part in this Debate will forgive me if I do not follow the arguments they have put forward—and I have listened to most of them. Member for Farnham (Mr. Nicholson), who sits behind the right hon. We have all heard from time to time the most scathing language used by hon. When I asked the reason, I got the reply, "Everybody looks on a Member of Parliament as a joke, because we have seen some of them out here, and we think that every man should have a right to decide in conclave what the future of the tribe should be, not merely an elected representative." Friend the Leader I believe that to be a great mistake on their part and a mistaken decision, but they have taken it and they are entitled to take it. Gentleman said: Although, as I have said, it is a matter of keen regret that Burma should be leaving the Commonwealth, it is a source of great satisfaction to us all that the negotiations have been conducted in a spirit of the utmost good will and cooperation. I still hold the view that I have always held, which is my reason for voting against this Bill tonight, that the stages of self-government both for India and Burma should be gradual, constitutional and proper. 1928 We should send a message to Burma that we realise those dangers. Member on this side on the importance of the argument that there is really no alternative. We are deciding whether we should vote for the independence of Burma or not. Never has Burma been in the grip of terrorism as it has been since power was placed in Burmese hands. It may interest the right hon. The Army of Burma is recruited in the ratio of about three to one from the hill tribes, which is just as if we recruited the British Army from the Highlands of Scotland. The false optimism of hon. The popular sentiment to part with the British was so strong at the time that Burma opted not to join the Commonwealth of Nations , unlike India or Pakistan. Catalogue description Burma Independence Act, 1947: status of the locally naturalized: legal adviser's opinion Ordering and viewing options This record has not been digitised and cannot be downloaded. been. Before I sit down, I would like to emphasise once again the dangers that I see ahead. Friend the Member for Wavertree (Mr. Raikes). 1882 Member, whether he votes with the Government tonight or not, wish Burma the very greatest happiness in the future. Therefore, we cannot possibly resist that. Very few Constituent Assemblies have worked so quickly. Member for King's Norton (Mr. Blackburn). 1849 He regretted that the legislation would amount to "sweeping away our position" in Burma. Under the Act of 1935 they were not brought into ministerial Burma. I will withdraw then. I have spoken to them over here in various delegations, and I have discussed these matters with them. I now gladly give way to the right hon. Gentleman rather suggested at one time that we could have had approximately 25 per cent. We are giving self-government to Burma, but we are not giving democratic self-government to Burma. Aung San was a Burmese politician and revolutionary. Myanmar - Myanmar - The emergence of nationalism: Those Burmese who attended the new schools established by the colonial government or by missionaries managed to gain admission to the clerical grades of government service, but even in those lower grades they encountered competition from Indians. Today we are confronted with the result of complete independence and the cutting of Burma out of the British Empire and out of the protection of the Appendix II-Burma Independence Act, 1947. It is disintegrating not because of conquest but because of its civilising influence. I would assure the Prime Minister, if he were here, that it is with the greatest reluctance, and the greatest regret, that I cannot support the Government over this Bill. I regret very deeply that Burma has made up her mind to leave the British Commonwealth of Nations. Henceforward the relationship of this country and Burma will be based on a Treaty and on the friendship between the two nations which, I am glad to say, is stronger than ever today. We do not mind if Burma goes down into chaos. I remember reading the other day a speech by the Foreign Secretary in the country where he spoke of the announcements about India—the impressive scene, with the quiet little man and his quiet little voice sweeping away our position in India. 4 January 1948 ... as a separatist movement insisting on the government honouring the right to secession in 10 years provided for by the 1947 Constitution. 1846 Members on this side of the House. Gentleman the Minister for Economic Affairs has been so intimately concerned. What did General Smuts say when he came over here and was asked why he was fighting on the side of the nation which had defeated him. I can remember that even when I was a boy my nickname at school was "Indian Famine Fund" because I was so thin. They made a great mistake in issuing arms indiscriminately to individuals and organisations, however well-meaning, who claimed they needed them for their protection and would be able to put down the troubles. 1894 Money does not matter to them. Those men claim proportionate pensions such as have been granted in the past in the case of Indian servants, and compensation for loss of office. South Asian history is an ancient history with its roots going as far back as 5000 BC. I congratulate the Prime Minister on the decision which he has taken, and I am perfectly sure that the people of Burma will prove themselves worthy of our friendship and will prove themselves not forgetful of the part that the ordinary British soldier played in giving them a chance to enjoy this freedom. Gentleman tonight. By the grace of God, his bush was missed and he got away. I have already said that there is a certain change of heart in the party opposite, and I am glad that the hon. 17. Nationalism in Burma is no new thing, but has been a steadily developing force, beginning with the Russo-Japanese War, and gathering strength in the years that followed; even on the eve of the late war it was the most vivid force in the country. By comparison, in the In conclusion, I would like to recall what I thought were the remarkable words of Thakin Nu, the Burmese Prime Minister, in reply to our own Prime Minister, when he said this: As I said in the House the last time we had a Debate on Burma, if we wanted proof that that country is not in a state of peace and tranquillity it can be shown by the fact that last year, 60,000 tons of teak—and not tea, as some newspapers reported—was stolen between Mandalay and Rangoon. ", There is one other point we have to consider before we pass this Bill. and gallant Gentleman who has just spoken that, whatever way hon. They have produced a constitution, and under that constitution provision is made for a directly elected lower House, based again on adult suffrage, with an upper House which is known as the Chamber of nationalities. After all, every party is committed to it. The scene was not at all well adapted to make a favourable impression upon the Oriental mind. I can assure the noble Lord it was not made by me. Friend and Leader—and do otherwise than move this Amendment. They had so committed themselves in their propaganda to the idea of complete independence and the complete removal of the British from Burma, that they could not go back on it. Are they really so sure as they appear to be? Member for Dumbarton Burghs (Mr. Kirkwood). If there is no gap in Commonwealth Defence caused by the departure of Burma from the British Commonwealth, what is he complaining about? Gentlemen opposite quite so sure that a country in that condition is better without the British than with them? Although, if it is carried, Burma will leave the British Commonwealth, there will remain memories and ties of friendship between the two countries which will endure. Most of us have advanced beyond that stage. Civil war in India has been averted. Geo. You must be just, even to Marshal Badoglio. The Statute of Westminster Adoption Act 1942 is an Act of the Australian Parliament that formally adopted sections 2–6 of the Statute of Westminster 1931, an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom enabling the total legislative independence of the various self-governing Dominions of the British Empire. That is all right. Because of our handling of that situation, not in this but in the past generation, we made enemies in every part of the world wherever there were Irishmen. All I am objecting to is rejoicing at the weakening of the British Empire. Friends that when we vote for this Measure, we shall do it with a very heavy sense of responsibility in our hearts, so that I resent, both on their behalf and on my own, this charge of irresponsibility. Gentleman was making a mockery of murders in Burma, among his own supporters for the statement he has just made. I think that the Burmans will be very lucky if it does not mean death and mutilation for many of them, judging from the state of the country at present. Member or a party, we should charge them with irresponsibility. Friend the Leader of the Opposition. I have not interrupted other hon. Members opposite when they say that we came out on a certain day and the murder of these women and children means nothing to them. The difference is this, that the Opposition—or those Members of the Opposition who take the view of the right hon. If there is to be a good future relationship between Burma and this country, it must inevitably depend on a proper working partnership between these vested interests and Burma. I do not want to go into the whole question of our position in Burma, but I suppose that even in the Socialist Party there is some regard for British commercial interests there. The total of dacoities for September shows that the figures have not gone up since January. That speech left an indelible impression on my mind. Did these men die that we should resurrect British power for the sheer glory of domination and prestige and deny the friendship of these people? The Union of India, also called the Dominion of India, was an independent dominion in the British Commonwealth of Nations between 15 August 1947 and 26 January 1950. Our constructive alternative is to fight our way back to safety and to sanity. The same question has arisen in India. It states: of sorrow, and I have to recognise that the way we have been handling the situation in the last two years and of the high hopes we held before Burma came into the war have proved misplaced, and that there have been mistakes which historians will be in a better position to judge than we are today. Question put, "That the word 'now' stand part of the Question.". Gentleman went so far as to say that although the Prime Minister was not an actual murderer in the case of Burma, he was like a signalman on the railway line who was signalling Burma towards murder. Friend the Member for Farnham (Mr. Nicholson). However much hon. I know the right hon. 1842 The Tory belief in Empire means, "Be dominated by us. Gentleman's statement that he and his friends could not support the If a country says, "We want to be free; we don't want Dominion status as an intermediate stage," the only way we can persuade it to have Dominion status is by force. At any rate, in Burma, after the Japanese invasion, and the taking of Singapore by the Japanese, and the fighting to and fro over Burma, things are completely different there from what they were in 1938. Friend beside me, which is Burma. Unfortunately, it is equally true that self-government does not necessarily imply the retention of impartial justice and reasonable equality for all the religious and racial elements in a' mixed community such as Burma, which alien rule, so far as it can, guarantees. When I was a young man we used to look at so much of the map coloured red and rather gloat over it saying, "This is our Empire. There are many in this country who could accuse certain leaders of this country of being traitors. I should have thought that the lesson of the last two world wars ought to be quite convincing, that conquest and invasions ought to be things of the past, and that the cementing in brotherly love of the nations of the world ought to be the object and ideology and system of government of the British Government. Gentleman has just said. The 1947 Indian Independence Act (1947 c. 30 (10 & 11. First of all is the fact that the self-government is to be outside the British Commonwealth. Then there are the claims which arise from the scorched earth policy, carried out at the orders of the military chiefs who were in charge of the country during the retreat from Burma, to deny to the Japanese plant and machinery so that they could not use them against us. The Tories have never understood this kind of development. I have a great deal of sympathy with what was said by my hon. It reminds me of the amended version of the story of the Gadarene swine. It cannot be resisted. Google Scholar Burma: Treaty between the Government of the United Kingdom and the Provisional Government of Burma. Member for Saffron Walden (Mr. R. A. Butler) has not been present during the speech of the Leader of the Opposition. Not until Socialist Governments appeared in New Zealand and Australia did the attitude of the Party opposite change. On those grounds we shall, at the close of the Debate, move the rejection of the Bill. Gentleman has used the words "exploit" and "develop," but I think he Member for Orpington made what I think the House will agree was a very moving appeal. The end of the war found the country disturbed and full of arms; and—there is great danger in a country like Burma of dacoity—there has been a good deal of armed dacoity. But I am convinced that the proper way to show our responsibility to the Burmans when we have made up our minds as we did in 1945, that they were nearly fit for self-government is to give them that chance. However, Subsection (4) provides for the recognition by the United Kingdom as a British subject of any persons who are given, by law of one of the self-governing Dominions, a similar right of electing to remain British subjects. That is the peasant point of view, and the Burmese peasant, unfortunately, has a very small chance of either under this Bill, and that, I suggest, is the answer to my hon. I hope that the hon. U Saw, also known as Galon U Saw, was a leading Burmese politician who served as Prime Minister of British Burma during the colonial era before the Second World War. The result is that, railway communication in Burma is most unsatisfactory. None of us wants to see bloodshed there, but when an hon. Why should not U Aung San seek to They are, first, that there shall be law and order in the country; second, that there shall be a stable Government; third, that the essential qualities of democracy shall exist to a high degree, that there shall be literacy and a sense of unity within the country, that there shall be all the other conditions which are necessary if democracy is to work anywhere; fourth, that there shall be economic stability; and, lastly, that the country can stand on its own feet without the British protection she is now receiving in a world of three very large, very powerful, and potentially very jealous neighbours. One other word. I have been thinking very hard, and listening very carefully, and with all respect to my hon. Members, by people who were on the spat. Member has said, but will he remember that he gave the same advice about India, and that his advice about India, which was accepted by the Prime Minister, has produced more deaths in India during the last three months than during the whole of the period between the time of the Indian Mutiny and the time when my right hon. I should have had no hesitation in doing that; I have no regrets for having done so, and my interest in, and feeling for, India is not less than that of the hon. —particularly, as I am reminded by my hon. Appeals to the Privy Council from Burma have always been very few, and as far as we can ascertain, there are no legal proceedings pending against the Secretary of State. He may be a traitor from the point of view of this country, but it does not follow that he would be a traitor from the point of view of his own country. I believe that, in the future, the people of this country and the people of Burma will be able to say that today was a day of great thanksgiving and pride. Gentleman. No. Because of that, I realise that much of this idea of conquest has been a farce; there has been no reality in it. Of course, supporters of this Bill are entitled to say frankly that this country and the Dominions, weakened by two terrible wars and with Leftist Governments in power here and in the two Pacific Dominions, can afford neither the expense, nor the odium of controlling an Asiatic land like Burma. I must repeat what I said on a previous occasion when I spoke on the Burma Bill, that I defy anyone to deny the essential truth that: We have given India her freedom. to it with this very simple statement which I do not suppose the hon. It is an insult to General Smuts and to General Botha, both of whom were men who fought for their own country, as they believed, against us, to compare them with one who first of all united with the cruellest race in the East—the Japanese—amongst other things to oppress Burmans and who, having done that, double-crossed the Japanese as soon as he thought he was on the losing side. Were they fighting for the whim of a Socialist Government, so that the same country which they fought to restore, should be given away without any discussion and without any thought for what the consequences might be? He does not talk about freedom in Burma, he talks about transfer of power, and it is transfer of power to an almost certain autocracy. Since when should we rejoice because the strength and unity of the Empire is less than it was before? Members opposite, particularly in that quarter, be a joy-day—one of those moments in our history when they reach the satisfaction and fulfilment of long years of labour and endeavour. I think I have quoted him correctly. They are quite entitled to say that. That is my answer to the very reasoned speech of my hon. I am very glad that the right hon. Friends on the other side of the House in 1945 and since have always hoped that Burma would take her place as a self-governing nation within the British Commonwealth. I hope that the words which the hon. The first Empire ended with the loss of the American Colonies. All those things were true, but as it-developed the British Empire became, and has remained, the greatest influence for good in the world. That agreement was negotiated by the frontier people in the knowledge that we were going to sell out on them anyway, that we were prepared to abandon them, and that they had better make peace with their adversary quickly. And that if anyone voices the utter injustice and bullying that is going on, he or she stands to be attacked personally and either dacoited or killed outright? Nothing that we can do can alter the acts that you have undertaken to carry out. What does that mean? Was not that explanation based upon the fact that it was agreed by the right hon. The latter is referred to in British nationality law as the "Republic of Ireland" and was previously referred to as "Eire" [sic] between 1937 and 1949 and as the Irish Free State between 1922 and 1937.. If it were not satisfied, that demand would grow. The independent Union of Burma came into being on 4 January 1948. …The prospects of constitutional advance held out to Burma as part of British India will not be prejudiced by this decision, and the constitutional objective after separation will remain the progressive realisation of responsible Government in Burma as an integral part of the Empire."—[OFFICIAI. We have indeed made great sacrifices in Burma. 1935 The result is that at the very first opportunity she has looked for her freedom, her old nationhood and independence. The Spanish lost every one of their territories in America, because they would not give them any form of development or government of their own, whereas the Portuguese gave to the Brazilians, first of all, co-partnership, and then independence, and the result has been that Brazil has always remained the greatest friend of Portugal, whereas the South Americans have always been hostile to the Spanish. Indian Independence Act 1947 1947 CHAPTER 30. Member has said, that a member of the Anglo-Burma community had stated that he was satisfied that all would be well in the Assembly. We on this side of the House take that view when we see Burma getting her independence. The answer is, "If you had had a decent driver, you would not have gone into the wall.". 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